Comments on: What’s Wrong With NLP Training http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/ Harlan Kilstein's NLP Copywriting Blog Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:06:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mel Kotlyar http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-3704 Mel Kotlyar Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:25:53 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-3704 You are right! I have heard that same complaint from many other practitioners that I have met. Simply knowing NLP unconsciously makes it hard to apply during actual therapy if you aren't provided a structure of when or how to to use it when its needed. During my NLP training, luckily we learn at the conscious and also the unconscious levels of learning. Through stories, metaphors, lectures, hands-on-exercises, and practicing on our classmates seemed to be the best way for me and the other grads in our class to get the material at such a deep understanding. You are right!

I have heard that same complaint from many other practitioners that I have met. Simply knowing NLP unconsciously makes it hard to apply during actual therapy if you aren’t provided a structure of when or how to to use it when its needed.

During my NLP training, luckily we learn at the conscious and also the unconscious levels of learning.

Through stories, metaphors, lectures, hands-on-exercises, and practicing on our classmates seemed to be the best way for me and the other grads in our class to get the material at such a deep understanding.

]]> By: Tom http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2994 Tom Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:45:32 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-2994 Hi Harlan, Interesting post. The moons must of been moving in phase the day you wrote that because I had wrote a similar post talking about Unconscious Installation the day before called "Unconscious Installation & The Thinking Habits That Trip Many Up" You may be interested in reading another take on unconscious installation here http://www.nlptimes.com/blog/2010/02/08/killer-obstacles-to-effective-unconscious-installation/ While we don't agree on everything, I share the view that if someone says "I don't know if I have X skill, I think it is there .... like the trainer said he was doing unconscious installation" etc ... that is most typically a a load of bull. But that doesn't mean that that no-one can do unconscious installation or that it exists at all. A highly skilled trainer can help install a skill through a process of learning without the learner being consciously aware of the process by which they are learning it. And there are some trainers who are very good at this. Most it is probably fair to say can not do it intentionally. However any given unconscious installation process does not work all the time with everyone, and the bottom line with any skill skill is a person still needs to instantiate the skill. We aren't yet at the point where any trainer (that I know or know of) can do a Matrix like "upload" of a new skill to someone. But many people think NLP unconscious installation is something like that. Be well, Tom Hi Harlan,

Interesting post. The moons must of been moving in phase the day you wrote that because I had wrote a similar post talking about Unconscious Installation the day before called
“Unconscious Installation & The Thinking Habits That Trip Many Up”

You may be interested in reading another take on unconscious installation here http://www.nlptimes.com/blog/2010/02/08/killer-obstacles-to-effective-unconscious-installation/

While we don’t agree on everything, I share the view that if someone says “I don’t know if I have X skill, I think it is there …. like the trainer said he was doing unconscious installation” etc … that is most typically a a load of bull.

But that doesn’t mean that that no-one can do unconscious installation or that it exists at all.

A highly skilled trainer can help install a skill through a process of learning without the learner being consciously aware of the process by which they are learning it. And there are some trainers who are very good at this.

Most it is probably fair to say can not do it intentionally. However any given unconscious installation process does not work all the time with everyone, and the bottom line with any skill skill is a person still needs to instantiate the skill. We aren’t yet at the point where any trainer (that I know or know of) can do a Matrix like “upload” of a new skill to someone.

But many people think NLP unconscious installation is something like that.

Be well,
Tom

]]> By: Dr. Kilstein http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2922 Dr. Kilstein Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:10:55 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-2922 Hey Rob! Great to see you here. Rob did extensive training at the foot of Dr. Dave Dobson. Literally. Welcome and thanks for posting. Harlan Hey Rob!

Great to see you here. Rob did extensive training at the foot of Dr. Dave Dobson.

Literally.

Welcome and thanks for posting.

Harlan

]]> By: Big Bob http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2920 Big Bob Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:35:29 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-2920 Hey Harlan- Well said. I thought there were a few steps before becoming unconsciously competent? I certainly wouldn't want to fly with a pilot who only had "unconscious" training... :) Robert Hey Harlan-

Well said.

I thought there were a few steps before becoming unconsciously competent?

I certainly wouldn’t want to fly with a pilot who only had “unconscious” training…

:)

Robert

]]> By: Dr. Kilstein http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2917 Dr. Kilstein Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:57:25 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-2917 Hi Wendy, I too trained with Bandler. Obnoxious would be putting it mildly. But then I found out he secretly installed all of NLP in me. Right. Right now, I can recommend NLP Comprehensive and Doug O'Brien for NLP Training. Hi Wendy,

I too trained with Bandler. Obnoxious would be putting it mildly. But then I found out he secretly installed all of NLP in me.

Right.

Right now, I can recommend NLP Comprehensive and Doug O’Brien for NLP Training.

]]> By: Wendy http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2916 Wendy Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:50:25 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-2916 Thanks for that, Harlan. I was trained by a team of almost all those "lesser lights" you mentioned. They were great, I learned tons, and I use much of it in my practice years later. But I always wished I had been was trained by Bandler. Until I recall the guy in my training who had been trained by him. He swore he hadn't gotten a thing...besides abuse. Thanks for that, Harlan.
I was trained by a team of almost all those “lesser lights” you mentioned. They were great, I learned tons, and I use much of it in my practice years later. But I always wished I
had been was trained by Bandler. Until I recall the guy in my training who had been trained by him. He swore he hadn’t gotten a thing…besides abuse.

]]> By: Dr. Kilstein http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2914 Dr. Kilstein Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:41:46 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-2914 Grinder is teaching new code. If you've read his latest book, most of it is unintelligible nonsense. People are afraid to say the emperor has no clothes. Grinder is teaching new code. If you’ve read his latest book, most of it is unintelligible nonsense. People are afraid to say the emperor has no clothes.

]]> By: Max http://nlpcopywriting.com/whats-wrong-with-nlp-training/comment-page-1/#comment-2913 Max Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:30:55 +0000 http://nlpcopywriting.com/?p=227#comment-2913 What do you think of NLPacademy.co.uk Doesn't Grinder still teach with them? May as well go to the original source if you want to learn nlp... What do you think of NLPacademy.co.uk

Doesn’t Grinder still teach with them? May as well go to the original source if you want to learn nlp…

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